Have a look at what Australia’s ’9am with David and Kim’ show has to say on Homeopathic Vaccinations (67MB MPG file). Feel absolutely free to copy and repost this work, or check out Chris’ link to his transcript in PDF format, and post the video elsewhere. It’s already been scrubbed from Youtube, it seems…

The complete transcript follows.

Please, advise of typos, spelling, of Aussie:English translation issues… Bits in italics are my own snark…

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The players:

NP: Professor Nikolai Petrovsky, Swine flu vaccine developer
IG: Dr. Isaac Golden, World authority on homeopathic immunisation
DV: David
KM: Kim

(Even the titles people seem in on it… The science guy has a boring title and he’s ‘just’ a professor. The homeopath? He’s a DOCTOR and a WORLD AUTHORITY! Please.)

DV: Nikolai, can we start with you please? As we said, leading infectious disease experts are concerned that the use of multi dose vials could transmit disease. Are they correct in saying that?

NP: Well, when we’re administering a vaccine to healthy individuals, obviously safety is paramount, so even if the risk of transmitting infection using the multidose is very low, we would argue any risk is too much risk. So, as I say, we’re not saying that this is a high risk, but certainly it is a risk.

(it’s at this point that I thought he was going to be the quack… the any risk is too much risk line is something Jenny McCarthy has thrown around)

KM: Alright, I’d like to talk to you about the effectiveness of a swine flu vaccine. How… how does it actually work when it’s a virus?

NP: So, the idea here is that a vaccine mimicks the virus; it actually isn’t a live virus, it’s either a killed virus or in our case with our

(stock video of vaccine bottles with big bold warning at the bottom of the screen, “Vaccine Warning”)

vaccine, it’s actually just one component from the virus. Ah, in that case it triggers the immune system to recognize the virus so that when you do get exposed to the live virus, your immune system is already primed to be able to attack and kill it before it really establishes.

KM: So what happens if it… if it mutates as… as people are suggesting that it is?

NP: Well, the… the concern of course that in the 1918 Spanish Influenza, which is the worst flu epidemic that we’ve experienced. Ah, during the first winter season, in fact, the infection was a bit like we’re seeing with the Swine Flu virus; most people got over it, but there were a few deaths. But then, the second winter season when it came back in a new form, that’s when it was highly lethal, and about 50 million people died with that infection. So, the risk of mutation is there.

DV: Okay, Isaac, given the concerns that have been expressed, is the government being hasty, do you think, in rolling this out already? Should we be looking for alternatives?

(Talk about pitching a softball, while making your face look like you think it’s a hardball…)

IG: Unfortunately, the government’s advisors don’t look at the alternatives that are available, and I know that Dr. Petrovsky and I will probably disagree about efficacy

(Really? You think you’ll disagree about efficacy? Here, have a magic potion…)

because there’s no disagreement about safety

(And what’s safer than pure water… mmmmmm mmmmm)

whilst he is making very good efforts to develop a safer vaccine, you can be even safer still.

(2:30 into the video, and here it really begins)

Now, the reason why the Cuban government in 2007 turned the Findlay (?) Institute which makes vaccines there into manufacturing two and a half million doses of homeopathic immunisation for the disease leptospirosis is exactly the point that Dr. Petrofsky just covered, and that is that as the diseases mutate, one of the problems with vaccination is that there’s a very long lead time to actually accommodate that. The one advantage with the homeopathic option is that because it works on different principles, it’s not an attempt to mimic vaccination. The remedies which are prepared, provided the symptom profile of the disease doesn’t change greatly, can still be used.

(Huh?)

KM: I’m wondering whether, perhaps, part of the attraction of a Swine Flu vaccine is that you can go in an get a jab and it works for everyone, is it possible…

IG: Nothing works for everyone. Ha ha! Nothing on the planet works for everyone!

(Smarmy dirtbag.)

KM: Well is it possible to have a homeopathic remedy mass produced in that sense….?

(You’re asking a homeopath if he can pour enough water into enough bottles at $10 per? Science can still win as long as he doesn’t mention Cuba again…)

IG: Well like I said, the Cubans immunized three provinces which were most at risk because of the massive hurricane damage in 2007 and again in 2008.

(Damn you, Castro! Damn you!)

IG: They immunised over two million people. Two million people. And they did it in about two or three weeks, and the cost, this is the other factor which we need to consider. The cost was about 400,000 American Dollars

(Trucks of water don’t cost all that much.)

IG: Now, when you look at the costs of the vaccines which are being brought on here, our government could literally save hundreds of millions of dollars by looking at and evaluating this option.

(4:10 into the video)

DV: Is there a homeopathic treatment for swine flu?

(Homeopathy can cure ANYTHING, jerk. Stupid host.)

IG: Yes.

DV: What is it? What’s the components of it?

(Isaac smiles broadly, seeing that the host stumbled into his little trap…)

IG: Well… now we need to talk about how you make immunisation for homeopathics, or from homeopathics

(If there were an immunisation from homeopathics, I’d totally take that; would it make homeopaths explode when I came near?)

IG: There’s a number of different options, because homeopathy works on the law of similars, provided we have something which produces similar symptoms, this will be, enable a degree of cover. Now we actually have the swine, what we call the swine flu nosodes and the Findlay Institute in Cuba, and actually Dr. Petrovsky has written a scholarly paper with the person who was leading that; a Doctor Gustavo Bracho who was in Australia in 2004 2005 and worked with Doctor Petrovsky and they actually co-authore a scholarly paper on Malaria Adguvants

(http://malariajournal.com/content/8/1/35/abstract “AFCo1, a meningococcal B-derived cochleate adjuvant, strongly enhances antibody and T-cell immunity against Plasmodium falciparum merozoite surface protein 4 and 5″ — NOT about homeopathy… OH, and Isaac still hasn’t taken a pause; he’s quite the train of thought speaker.)

so the doctor knows who we’re talking about and these are very serious people. They have prepared a swine flu nosodes. They could immunize this whole country within a month and probably at a cost of of a few million dollars as opposed to hundreds of millions of dollars.

(Biggest cost? Fuel to drive the water tankers across the desert? What’s a nosodes? Wikipedia: “Some homeopaths suggest that vaccines be replaced with homeopathic ‘nosodes’, created from biological material such as pus, diseased tissue, bacilli from sputum or (in the case of ‘bowel nosodes’) feces.”)

KM: Do you agree, Nikolai?

NP: So, certainly, we, um… work um…

(Seriously, Nikolai is trying his hardest not to laugh at this point…)

NP: with the Findlay Institute on vaccine development, and they’re the institute that developed the world’s first Meningal cochal vaccine, so they are extremely serious about vaccines. I don’t have any knowledge of any work by the Institute in Homeopathy. Um, but… as I say, vaccines do have 200 years of history and proof of the fact that they work. I would be sticking to vaccines in this instance.

IG: Well, can I just interrupt here and say that vaccination first …

(Wikipedia: “… smallpox inoculation was started in China or India before 200 BC.[1] In 1718, Lady Mary Wortley Montague reported that the Turks had a habit of deliberately inoculating themselves with fluid taken from mild cases of smallpox, and that she had inoculated her own children.”)

IG: … started in 1796. Homeopathic immunisation started in 1798; we also have 200 years of reported and recorded clinical evidence …

(See him roll his eyes there?)

IG: … and the really important point that Dr. Petrovsky just made is that these people at Findlay are serious.

(See what he did there; he’s just claimed that Dr. Petrovsky just agreed that Homeopathy works…)

IG: Now there’s a major scientific paper that’s being published soon and Dr. Bracho and I are actually publishing two papers; one in Australia and one internationally, which will be coming out in the next few months, so the data is there and I’m very happy to send it to Dr. Petrovsky if he’d like.

(Note, he doesn’t say co-authoring… just that there are two people writing two different papers… Happy to send it to Dr. Petrovsky? How about you have it peer reviewed in a medical journal?)

DV: Gentlemen…

KM: We’re out of time, I’m afraid… (chatter)

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